Artikel: En insikt i Judas Cradle Recordings punkiga byk! [Avsnitt I]

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Introduktion: Lukinzine, Farsot, Judas Cradle Recordings?

Det började i Göteborg, med Lukinzine och andra åtagande som Ramon Calvo hade tagit på sig. Egentligen är det en rätt så brokig resa, med många timmars arbete som följd, när han bestämde sig för att mer och mer avvika från Lukinzine som sådant. Inte helt och hållet, men det märks att hans webb-zine har fått samsas med andra ting. Bland annat så startades skivbolaget Farsot av både Ramon Calvo och Richard Ingemann (Mosher.se). Utöver det skivbolaget så har även Judas Cradle Recordings funnits ett tag, och det verkar som att bägge skivbolag tillhör varandra på något sätt, med den enda skillnaden att Farsot huserar We Live In Trenches, med det enda släppet på det skivbolaget – som är albumet “Life Crisis“. För övrigt är det Johan G. Winther (Scraps Of Tape) som skapat den fina logotypen som Judas Cradle använder sig utav.

Ett släpp som kom i början av 2014, som var ett samsläpp mellan det redan sedan länge etablerade skivbolaget La Familia Recordings, som huserat välkända akter så som Wolfbrigade, Martyrdöd, Hårda Tider, Ursut, Herätys och Disfear – för att nämna några stycken. Tillsammans, så släpptes “Life Crisis” som ett begränsat vinylsläpp, med 375 svarta vinylskivor och 150 vita vinylskivor. Sammanlagt uppgår de i 525 exemplar. Utöver detta så verkar det som att Farsot och Judas Cradle Recordings huserar under samma tak, åtminstone när det gäller den distribution som Judas Cradle Recordings har. Så låt oss nu gå vidare.

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Lukinzine och Mosher skapar Farsot!

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Två av musikvärldens ihärdiga hardcorekrigare har slutit sig samman för att sprida sitt budskap ånyo. Skillnaden denna gången är att deras sammanlagda expertis även borrar sig djupare in i musikvärlden, då de med detta sammanslagande av hjärnkraft mellan dessa två individer, resulterar i ett kommande och väldigt intressant släpp. Innan vi kommer dit, så uppdagades det att de valt att både driva ett skivbolag och ett fanzine. Enligt herrarna är detta på grund av att de vill hålla oss vakna på vad som händer med och runtomkring Farsot. När det kommer till själva syftet med bolaget kör de på gammal hederlig D.I.Y-stil, i kombination med att bolaget drivs enligt dessa principer, så gör det även att de vill att förhållandet mellan artist och bolag ska vara starkt. Det ska vara och kännas familjärt, samt hjälp skall finnas till banden så att de lyckas starta upp på riktigt. Allt från promotion, till distribution och sist men inte minst; turneér.

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När det kommer till släpp så har de ett ess i rockärmen. Det första släppet på Farsot kommer att vara We Live In Trenches uppkommande LP “Life Crisis“. Men när denna kommer ut, vet vi ingenting om än, men den kommer förmodligen att komma väldigt snart. Släppet är i samarbete med La Familia Releases, som bland annat har varit involverade i släpp med band såsom Victims, Kylesa, Ursut och Herätys. Intrycket man får av bolaget är seriositet, då de ger ett städat intryck men samtidigt ett rebelliskt sådant, då de vill premiera hur bolag och artister/bands relation bör vara, snarare än hur det ser ut i den verkliga världen hos en hel del större bolag. Endast detta får en att vilja stödja projektet med full kraft, så titta gärna in där. Ni kommer även att kunna se fram emot att de kommer att dyka upp här fler gånger, men den tiden – den sorgen.

Peoples take on Invisible Guy and why they think it’s a good blog!

Since I want to keep a good line of contact in between me, the musicians I am in association with when reviewing, the people that I interview – I decided that it was time for their opinion of my blog. After all, I think it’s important to get other peoples thoughts about your blog and why it is sufficient. Which makes me even more productive. So I sent out a couple of mails and invited people to write some things about what they think is good about this blog. I can also tell you why I didn’t ask for constructive criticism, it’s because I’ve gotten some criticism, so I know what needs to be improved. I’ve also got a lot of thoughts myself that I will elaborate on before this year ends. I would like to thank everyone that participated in commenting on what makes my blog good. Thank you, people. Also, don’t worry, I will reach out to my readers also in an article that I’m writing which will be published on the 31st of December.

Invisible Guy is thoughtful, far reaching and meticulous in his reviews. Rather than wasting time with a rating system, he shares the emotions and experiences invoked in listening to the music.

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Invisible Guy…. where to begin? The ‘long-form’ in-depth music blog is a rare thing. Even rarer is a new music discovery blog that takes its time to delve deeply into a few unheralded artists and labels from around the world. Unlike the majority of new music discovery blogs where it’s a quick song link, video and a few words, Invisible Guy takes time to get inside the minds of the musicians. His interview questions are thoughtful and disarming and so can gain insights that even his interviewees may not have thought of before. I enjoy reading posts on Invisible Guy.  It is interesting finding out about the people behind a range of music from around the world most of us would never hear about otherwise.  All the best for doing more of this in 2013 Invisible Guy!

Ian Henderson, Fishrider Records – Dunedin, New Zealand

Musikbloggen av Invisible Guy har under det gångna året gått från anonymitet till ett av landets främsta vad gäller musikens gömda skatter. Och det med bitsk nyfikenhet liksom stort egenintresse för skrivande som hantverk.

Richard Ingemann, Mosher.se

Jag gillar produktivitet när det kommer till bloggar, och om produktiviteten samtidigt leder till kvalitet och att jag upptäcker nya saker när det kommer till musik så kan man vara säker på att jag är helnöjd efter att meningarna har nått sitt slutgiltiga mål. Invisible Guy är en blogg som jag har hållit ögonen på sedan jag först upptäckte den, då den uppfyller just dessa små men höga krav. Bra material, ständiga uppdateringar och framför allt en hel del nya saker som ingen annan i Sverige skriver om. En intressant och beundransvärd detalj är när skribenten Invisible Guy i sina recensioner går igenom låt för låt, vilket är ett arbete som inte många recensenter där ute skulle vilja ge sig in på. För läsarna kanske det inte verkar vara en så stor sak, men tro mig det tar tid att bara skriva en vettig recension och du sedan bara beskriver 4-5 låtar. Att beskriva varje låt plus ett albums/EP:s helhet är med andra ord ett mastodontarbete som gör att Invisible Guy sticker ut ordentligt, vilket även gäller när han ger sig in på både podcasts och intervjuer.

Lukinzine

I didn’t know about the blog until I saw their review for my band’s recent single (Luxury Stranger’s ‘Nothing Holy’ / ‘Ripple’). I’ve dropped in every once in a while since then to see what’s what and all that jazz. My thoughts are that it’s a very honest blog – not contrived. Also what I like about the blog is that it is doing some great work for independent music – for example, the review of our single was the first I read for the single and I feel it helped us to achieve the success we’ve had with the single (the single entered the European Alternative Music singles chart at #4 in week 51!) and I really do believe that the Invisible Guy blog helped that to happen. Great work and great support for good things! Keep up the good work and thank you for everything!

Simon York, Luxury Stranger

The moment you start to check out the many in-depth posts on this page, you realize that The Invisible Guy is serious about what he is doing. Super well prepared articles show what the artists are about and what their intentions behind the music are. It takes time and dedication to keep this up and I’m very proud to be featured on here. All the best for 2013.

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If anyone else wants to contribute, you’re free to do so. I just sent out some mails to people and asked people the question: “What do YOU think is good about Invisible Guy?“. You can contribute with your feelings, thoughts and everything in between, by sending me a mail (like the ones above) over here: psyborg[at]countermail[dot]com

Invisible Guy recommend some of the best blogs for the end of 2012!

As you all know, I can’t be the king of the hill. There’s always someone else influencing me and blogs that I check regularly. But I know a lot of blogs that you should check out if you haven’t had the chance to do it yet. Since there’s a lot of blogs, there’s also a lot of blogs that will not be mentioned. When I check out blogs, I usually do that because they’re writing in an interesting manner, or that they’re sharing music that I like. If it isn’t one of those factors, it’s because they introduce me to a whole new world.

Some blogs might’ve put down the sign ages ago and some blogs might’ve just started their business here on the internet. These are the blogs that I return to on a regular basis, because they have something other blogs do not. This will not be your regular ranking with numbers and countdowns, this will simply be a description of the blog and why they deserve to be on this list. Also, this list is by no means hierarchical.

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Ribbon Around A Bomb is an American blog, with a very dedicated author, whom almost always update her blog on a regular basis. There’s a flow in the blog that never ceases to amaze me and if it isn’t there, well then she returns with the best and most interesting stuff to read. Even though I don’t like modern art, some of it can be fascinating and intriguing. It’s like a blend in between modern art, old pictures of legendary bands, odd pictures of obscure bands and also a lot of talk about the radio show she’s running. Which mostly focuses on female acts within the punk-sphere and everything surrounding it. She’s got a very captivating style of writing, which sucks you in and makes a mess of you. It’s one of those blogs that I check on an odd, yet regular basis. I’ve also had the pleasure of interviewing her, so if you’re interesting in knowing more about this blog, check out the interview.

Plunder-the-TombsPlunder The Tombs is an Australian blog that fascinates me on so many levels. Since I’m an avid goth and death rock fan, anything that can dig out the best of forgotten goth would deserve a medal. This is also one of the better and more well-written blogs that handle the topic of obscure, old and forgotten goth/death rock bands. It might not be a blog that continually updates the material, but it’s a goldmine for everyone that loves to seek out old gems from the past. Since I wasn’t born in that time, this blog makes it even more interesting. He’s also got a lot of expertise within the area, which some blogs fail to have when writing about this stuff. If you want to read well-written pieces about times past, great records and anecdotes from different angles – this is the blog for you.

cropped-banner_021Last Days Of Man On Earth was a blog from Australia/US that was run by Joe Stumble. I actually had a shot to interview him, but unfortunately didn’t have the time to do it. His blog is the epitome of music-blogging, with a lot of very well-written pieces on things like The Hardcore Superiority Myth – Or, why did I choose 87-90? which you should read if you haven’t already done it. He generally wrote a lot about obscure bands and music that I hadn’t heard before and he actually made me stumble upon one of my favorite bands, which are called Cipher. It’s a shame that he put his blog on hiatus, but what better way to end a glorious reign than to quit when you’re on the top? Well, that’s what he did. As I look through what he’s written, I’m also inspired by the structure of his language and how he made his posts flow like water, which made reading them for the first time a total joy. Sometimes I wish I was even close to what he was and still probably is, when it comes to writing. It’s an inspiration to look through his blog and he’s one of the reasons why I started mine.

lukinLukinzine is a hardcore/punk-zine from Sweden that have influenced me greatly within that sphere of music. He was actually the reason for me picking up hardcore and writing about it in the first place, which generated support for Hotet Från Skogarna, my Svensk Punk och Hardcore-podcast and many other things related to it. You can’t really mention hardcore or punk within Sweden, without mentioning him. He’s like one of the more well-known godfathers of the blogs when it comes to that particular subject over here. Probably the most influential one at that, as he photographs shows, keeps up with the scene, do interviews and reviews on a regular basis. Even though I don’t like blogs that don’t produce a lot of text when it comes to reviews and daily updates, there’s something about Lukinzines writing that keeps you on the edge. Which is a compliment, since there aren’t a lot of blogs around that can write intriguing stuff in just a few sentences or more. Also, if you’re Swedish, you might want to check out my podcast as I’ve interviewed him.

gehitGe Hit Musiken is a pop music blog from Gothenburg operated by Bojan Buntic and his minions, which unfortunately for the international readers, is only written in Swedish. I don’t really like the music that he display over there, but sometimes he’s got a lot of new music that people should’ve heard a long time ago. A pretty good blend between mainstream and obscure music, mostly within pop or electronica. But he’s also got some great reviews of music that range from industrial to everything else, as its being said in the header of the blog. Even though there’s been a lot of pop lately and weird new music, he’s got something that other blogs don’t. He is actually one of the few blogs that focus more on poetic descriptions of the music, rather than namedropping a lot of bands that sound like the aforementioned one in the reviews he conducts. I also think he’s got some great and well-structured “Best Of” lists for the year 2012. It’s one of the blogs I read on a regular basis, at least when there’s some interesting material on display, if not; then I’m only there for the love of the Swedish (poetic) language. You should give him a chance and tell him to do more interviews.

cropped-header_main2Esau.se is a blog ran by Esau Alcona which is entirely dedicated to the phenomenon of pop. I don’t know where to begin really, but he seems to have a lot of expertise within the area. Even though I generally don’t like the music that’s being displayed, I find his blog to be interesting. He seems to have a lot of passion for what he does and the way he writes is correct but welcoming. It’s one of those blogs that I can read when I need some quick information about the latest happenings and what music Esau likes. I must say that I adore what he does, even though he didn’t include me in his countdown to Christmas! But, hey, I think it was very good anyway. He also did a mixtape for my blog which was presented by both his blog and mine, which you can find over here: Esau.se och Invisible Guy presenterar: Hipster Porn mixtape! Well, what more can I say? I hope that he continue doing what he loves to do. There’s a lot of things to check out, but I’m always checking his site when I need to know something about the latest pop-sensations. Be careful though, this is some obscure stuff, which the Invisible Guy likes a lot. I mean, I like the fact that he praises the more underground and obscure stuff, rather than the more mainstream. But each to his own.

att_mota_morkretMosher.se is a blog-zine from Sweden which is ran by Richard Ingemann and circuits around hardcore/punk, written in Swedish. Even though I don’t check his blog on a regular basis anymore, I do it when he publishes new material. It’s too bad that he haven’t updated it for a while, but I’m hoping for a comeback. He’s got a regular language and a correct one at that, which makes what he read a little bit more intriguing. There’s also something about the new design of the blog-zine that also heightens the reading experience. I think he’s got some unconventional material at times, like the essay about Totalt Jävla Mörker which is titled: Att Möta Mörkret – om “Söndra & Härska” av Totalt Jävla Mörker. It is one of the best and most concise essays I’ve read when it comes to that particular subject. He’s also got some nice interviews that he’s conducted with various bands within the sphere of punk and hardcore. But one of the more interesting additions to his blog is the scanned pieces of older Swedish punk and hardcore zines, which makes for a great read. Hopefully I’ll check in to his blog even more in 2013 and I hope he’s got some material that I would like to read. So hopefully we’ll see more of this blog next year.

CMI-HEADER-2Cactus Mouth Informer was a blog from the UK that was ran by Highlander and had been active since 2007. But since the 10th of December, he apparently ceased his activities with the blog, which is a shame. One of the more interesting additions when it comes to post-punk, goth rock, death rock and everything in between. A lot of interesting posts and clippings from different popular magazines about those genres. Which have given me a lot of information about them and let me read some of the interviews I might’ve missed and also reviews for that matter. He also uploaded a lot of music from that time, which is the 80’s and I’ve heard more obscure bands over there than anywhere else, when it comes to the 80’s. The quality of the blog was consistent and there was always something to read, if not clippings from Zig Zag Now, then something else worthy of your time. Even though there weren’t a lot of writing per se, there was a lot of material which you should’ve gotten your hands on a long time ago. I was also introduced to a lot more blogs when it comes to pure .mp3 and FLAC-blogs. Which was awesome, since I found a lot of music during that route. Let us hope that he continues somewhere else and show up on my radar, sometime in the future.

This concludes my list for this year. I know that there are a lot of blogs that I can’t remember right now, but that I might not visit on a regular basis. Who knows, I might write a little thing or two about them too. But this post is dedicated to blogs that have had, will have or is having a legacy that affects me in one way or another. Some of them might not last, some of them may, but time will tell. Hopefully they’ll develop into their own little niche and make something of their time on the web here among every other shitty blog that is out there. However, these blogs are far from shitty, which is a great thing. I’m hoping that more blogs will pop up that create something unique themselves.

– The Invisible Guy

Svensk Punk och Hardcore – Specialavsnittet – Avsnitt 2 – Del 2

P.S: tyvärr kom det inte med nå’n Asta Kask låt, skyller det på trötthet, men de är ersatta av Attentat och andra klassiska punkband!

Efter ännu mer blod svett och tårar är äntligen Del 2 ute. Det tog ett tag att redigera ihop allt material och det blev större än vad jag hade förväntat mig. Dock gick det rätt så smärtfritt ändå och jag är nöjd med avsnittet som det är. Nu finns det över 130 låtar vilket är dubbelt upp i jämförelse med den första delen. Avsnittet klockar in på cirka 8 timmar och är ett måste för alla riktigt dedikerade fans men även ett måste för de som har lite mindre tid på sig. Om man inte vill lyssna på hela så skippar man till den del man tycker är värd att lyssna på eller vill lyssna på.

Jag är medveten om att längden kommer att avskräcka en hel del människor, men detta är å andra sidan det sista avsnittet jag gör i en sådan kaliber. Avsnitten efter detta kommer vara mycket kortare och koncisare. Dock så anser jag att jag fått en vid inblick i svensk punk och hardcore vid detta laget så att det räcker och blir över. Har några småsaker kvar att finna inom de genrerna men sen är jag mätt. Tyvärr finns det ingen möjlighet att lyssna på podcasten i mobilen eftersom att Soundcloud inte ville ladda upp bjässen.

Får tacka alla som har medverkat! Detta avsnittet är ett temaavsnitt som mest kretsar kring Hotet Från Skogarna och arbetet kring det. Men det finns även en hel del intervjuer som inte är relaterade till det som också kom med.

Hoppas att ni diggar detta avsnitt! Nedanför kommer programpunkterna.

Här är avsnittet: http://spoh.podomatic.com/entry/2012-08-15T08_44_10-07_00

Spelning: PUNK PÅ VERKET!

Intervju med Hjärtattack

Intervju med Tjänstevapen

Spelning: GAMLA PENGAR + TRUBBEL + TERRIBLE FEELINGS + INKVISITIONEN

Intervju med Moralens Väktare

Intervju med Fru Dörr

Intervju med Eldstad

Spelning: Gaphals: Nocturnal (Releasefest), Mud Walk och Skraeckoedlan

Intervju med Hotet Från Skogarna

Intervju med Grundskolan

Spelning: Government Flu (PL)

Intervju med Djävulskap

Intervju med Brottskod 11

Intervju med Spotlicks

Promotion: Mosher.se lägger upp intervjuer från zinet Sika Äpärä

Intervju med Dödsmaskin

Intervju med Sänkt

Intervju med Makabert Fynd

Promotion: Doomsday Mag – låtar med Swordwielder och Contorture

Låtlista:

1. Lose the Life – Authority Stomper
2. Kronofogden – Förbannad
3. Obnoxious Youth – Death Magistrate
4. Hjärtattack – På Det Sjätte Smäller Det
5. Hjärtattack – Överklassafari
6. Hjärtattack – Hur Länge Kan Man Orka?
7. Infanticide – A Thousand Stitches
8. Infanticide – Chances Zero To None
9. Infanticide – Slave Colony
10. Achilles – Utrotad
11. Achilles – Antidote
12. Agent Attitude – Kiss Ass, No Class
13. Agent Attitude – You’re All Controlled
14. Tjänstevapen – Meningslös
15. Tjänstevapen – Mord
16. Tjänstevapen – Tom Värld
17. Kidnapped – Wasted Hours
18. Kidnapped – The Snake Bites Back
19. Kidnapped – Planet Earth
20. Primitive Rites – Pulling Teeth
21. Primitive Rites – I Hope Malmö Is The First Place They Nuke
22. Primitive Rites – Too Much Pressure
23. Keep Rising – Fatecrusher
24. Keep Rising – Wavebreaker
25. Keep Rising – Crown Of Thorns
26. Moralens Väktare – Jag Är En Människa
27. Moralens Väktare – Kåk På Landet
28. Moralens Väktare – Moralens Väktare
29. Moralens Väktare – Sticka Från Stan
30. Moralens Väktare – Visa Från En Bakgata
31. Kronofogden – Gläd Dig I Din Ungdom
32. Kronofogden – Soldat Med Brutet Gevär
33. Angers Curse – You
34. Angers Curse – Sick Society
35. Elapse – Recluse
36. Elapse – Pry It Open
37. Fru Dörr – Inte Knulla Med Facket
38. Fru Dörr – Slitna Ryggar
39. Fru Dörr – Yrkesskadad
40. Achilles – Rats
41. Achilles – From Hell
42. Elapse – Worn Out
43. Elapse – Kept In Chains
44. KiRA – De Som Försvann
45. KiRA – Kanske
46. Eldstad – Eldstad
47. Eldstad – Kvicksilver
48. Eldstad – Nästa Hållplats: Gryningen
49. Elapse – What Is Mine
50. Agent Attitude – Can’t Stand To Stick Around
51. Agent Attitude – UA Crew
52. Agent Attitude – NO!
53. Keep Rising – Life In Grief
54. Keep Rising – Guiltridden
55. Keep Rising – Knife Of Torment
56. Grundskolan – Livets Hårda Skola
57. Grundskolan – Valfrihet
58. Ursut – Så Jävla Dum I Huvudet
59. Ursut – Dårarnas Paradis
60. Ursut – Akademikerpunk
61. Stockholms Blodbad – Va Fan
62. Stockholms Blodbad – Rättsprocessen
63. Kronofogden – Könglåten
64. Kronofogden – Fina Folket
65. Grundskolan – Slita Tills Man Dör
66. Grundskolan – Allt Enligt Boken
67. Ett Dödens Maskineri – Slavar Under Marknadsekonomin
68. Ett Dödens Maskineri – Alliansens Fyra Ryttare
69. Ett Dödens Maskineri – Arbete Ger Frihet
70. Ett Dödens Maskineri – Förnuftets Svanesång
71. Ett Dödens Maskineri – Godnatt, Jord
72. Tvärnitad – Hur Var Det Här Då
73. Tvärnitad – Nitlott
74. Kaffekatt – Skruvad & Sjuk
75. Kaffekatt – Existens
76. Glöm Dä! – Morsan Jobbar Inte Här
77. Glöm Dä! – En Salig Röra
78. Djävulskap – Dra Åt Helvete
79. Djävulskap – Knivens Kant
80. Djävulskap – Lockbete Till Helvetet
81. Ana Barata – Ni Kommer Inte Längre
82. Ana Barata – UNF
83. Ana Barata – Mer Pönk Än Dig
84. Fredag Den 13:e – Vi Springer I Cirklar
85. Fredag Den 13:e –  Vanmaktens Träsk
86. Fredag Den 13:e – En Slav Av Idag
87. Angers Curse – Be Prepared
88. Angers Curse – The Last Issue
89. Brottskod 11 – Allt Åt Alla
90. Brottskod 11 – Samma Brott
91. Brottskod 11 – Värdelös
92. Achilles – In Absolute Silence
93. Achilles – The Fatal Blow
94. Mathematic Violence – OFF
95. Mathematic Violence – Post LA
97. Fredag Den 13:e – No Gods
98. Fredag Den 13:e – Ekopanik
99. Spotlicks – Sitter I Skiten
100. Spotlicks – Fatta Att Du Duger
101. Spotlicks – Kriget
102. Slaktrens – Den Siste Mohikanen
103. Wolfbrigade -Förbrukad
104. Wolfbrigade – Idioternas Parad
105. Arabens Anus – Blommor & Bajonetter
106. Puke – Svea Rikes Slavbok
107. Strebers – 39 Steg
108. Total Egon – Rosa Honungs Grav
109. Dödsmaskin – Dömd
110. Dödsmaskin – Allt
111. Dödsmaskin – Raderad
112. Attentat – Ge Fan I Mej
113. TT Reuter – Hör Inte Till
114. Pink Champagne – Stålmannen/Kvinnan
115. Dr Zeke – Jag Ska Aldrig Dö
116. Kai Martin & Stick – Jag Dansar Inte
117. KSMB – Dörrterror
118. Sänkt – Kaos I Skallen
119. Sänkt – Trött
120. Sänkt – Paralyserad (Osläppt)
121. Linus Kuhlin & Sista Dansen – Du, Jag & En Borderline
122. Linus Kuhlin & Sista Dansen – Döva Ögon
123. Linus Kuhlin & Sista Dansen – Nödutgång (In I Skuggorna)
124. Linus Kuhlin & Sista Dansen – Omringad Av Knark
125. Camouflage – Syster Sol
126. Abcess Exil – Stjärnorna Faller
127. Stadion – Hunger
128. Makabert Fynd – Gubbklimakteriet
129. Makabert Fynd – Tabletterna
130. Contorture – Håll Käften Och Lyd
131. Swordwielder – World Funeral
132. Swordwielder – Shadow
133. Swordwielder – Fields Of Genocide
134. Swordwielder – With My Dying Breath I Curse This World
135. Ståålfågel – En Dag I Varuhuset
136. Babylon Blues – Har Vi Inte Grävt För Många Hål?